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Today is a very sad day in India’s future when our Govt. has “considered” taking a turn back into the Black Ages.
The notorious Congress party once again promotes reservations for Muslims with an eye on their votes, this time in the IITs and IIMs. Everybody knows that there is no other reason for any party to create reservations for Muslims!
I mean, if Muslims are educationally more backward than others, then there are many other avenues for improving that situation, such as creating more schools and colleges in Muslim-dominated areas.
But the important thing is that any institution that the Govt. sets up has to necessarily be secular, if not for morality’s sake, for the sake of our respected constitution.
But NO! Secularism has a whole new meaning in our country. Aligarh Muslim University was declared a minority institution even though it eats off Central funds. Andhra Pradesh announced reservations for Muslims in education and jobs.
Thankfully we have a sane Judiciary which struck down both orders in the name of our constitution. How can a secular country have Hindu or Muslim institutions?
Muslims desperately need education just so that they will not be used by political parties like vote-slaves! If only more Muslims knew that their being used this way is not good the health of India’s Muslim community.
The country is virtually saying that Muslims are not as good as others to get into IITs and IIMs and should therefore need reservations. How can any self-respecting Muslim accept this?
This will further, very adversely, affect the credibility and standards of the IITs and IIMs. Already there is a 20% reservation for the SCs and STs, and a former director of IIT Kharagpur, Kasturi Lal Chopra, is against it:
�We have relaxed rules for them and have special coaching classes. But this is not helping; they are barely able to clear their examinations,� Chopra said. �They finish the four-year course in seven to eight years.�
Not that people from the SCs and STs are not as capable. It is just that those who get in through the quota are not as good – which is natural!
Ambedkar must be so turning in his grave – his ultimate wish for a reservation-free India is not only yet to be realized, but reservations are eating into all spheres of Indian life!
What do you have to say about the reservations in India for SCs, STs, BCs, MBCs, OBCs, and a proposed one for Muslims? Feel free to comment below.
Gaurav says: wish when the fat bastard arjun singh is on hi his deathbed, some dumb SC/ST/OBC (read non merit dumb ass) doctor is attending to him… and this creation of his leaves scissors or some shit behind in his brains so that this brain dead minister.. good riddance
next time you guys visit docs be sure to check that the bastard sitting out there could be some quota candidate who could kill you with his/her bird brain logic instead of treating you..
ditto for those of you planning to use services of some investment advisors coz i ve a serious doubt that these quota generation would be able to distinguish b/w a lakh and a crore…
Vishal Anil says: To uplift social status of SC/ST/OBC/Muslims it is not acceptable to bargain on quality of IITs/IIMs, whereas, govt should provide cheaper quality education to all.
I am completely agree with Vas Raman (50).
If one goes through Gandhiji’s autobiography, one realizes that not a single Indian politician has literally worked among the masses for their upliftment the way he did. To penalize meritorious students for their own inefficiency and laziness and introducing reservations is to miss the wood for the trees. Indian Stalwarts like Krishmanurthy, Osho, Shri Aurobindo and Swami Vivekanand have stated that the real purpose of education is to direct the student after looking at his inner potential. (See link – Make your passion your profession) The politicians of today are too lazy to do all that and that is why they have come out with such artificial gimmicks like reservation which will infact stop the meritorious students from realizing their potential. It is a shame that such a thing could even be contemplated when both the head of government and the head of the state are individuals with impeccable meritorious credentials.
Viswanath says: Dear brothers and sisters, I am happy for the opinions you have raised. We have all outrightly condemned this reservation menace. Just condemning is not enough, as these narrow-minded politicians will continue to pursue their divisive agenda to their logical conclusion.
* We have to explain the consequence of reservations in all the public fora.
* On the lines of SC, ST, BC and Minority groups, we need to unify general classes and build similar community groups, to raise our voice against the injustice and help poor – meritorious students who are at disadvantage due to these reservations.
* Intensify our campaign using all sources of communications like SMS, Blogs, Email, pamphlets, letters to editors, whatever may be the tool, out voice should be loud and clear.
* Be careful at politicians (especially so called upper class selfish and psuedo secular politicians). Reject them, vote them out of power. These politician are doing greater harm to general classed, just to cling on to their chairs. The hypocratic – shameless – dangerous – corrupt – inept politicians should not be tolerate. Expose them
Viswanath says: Pls remember that all the noise we are making is shouting to a deaf man. As these politicians like Arjun Singh, Pranab Mukherjee, Leftists other regional parties continue their political gimmicks. At first place communist parties follow reservations in their own party, the women representation among communists is absymmal and their polit bureau is dominated upper castes. First you stop preaching to others and start reforming in your own party. Same is the case with congress, BJP and other regional parties. These political parties are hypocrates and are cheating people. We condemn all these parties.
sojji raghu says: he is right .
reservation in premier institutes is not the way to improve the conditions of the backward classes.primary education must be given more importance.
[...] So Congress tells Muslims that Hindus are ill-treating them; BSP, RJD, DMK etc. tell the “lower” castes that they have to fight the “higher” castes; regional parties ask their people to fight those from other states such as Shiv Sena is against Biharis; and DMK asks the Tamilians to fight Hindi-speaking North India! And yet we have the temerity to harp on “Unity in Diversity”. Whither unity? With what in mind are we flooding every page of school textbooks with this meaningless phrase “Unity in Diversity”? The latest to attack this evanescent unity is the Congress Party’s or Arjun Singh’s pet theme of reservations for Muslims and the so-called “lower” castes in IITs, IIMs and other Central Universities, preceded by the fervent race to give Aligarh Muslim University “minority” status. [...]
jp says: for gaurav:
going by your logic, all the doctors who have until now, left implements behind in patients’ bodies have been SC/St, and all those doctors who have killed patients thro negligence /error have been SCs/STs?
all of u guys going hysterical- so far only the “meritorious” have run the country (since quota seats are never filled). So how come the country is in such a mess?
India Needs A Revolution!!! says: The last and faintest of hopes that I had of seeing a developed India is Gone. OMG India has gone to dogs. Its being distributed by “Dogs to Dogs”. I hope you get the meaning!!. Im sorry about the mention of the second Dogs as such but that is what it is. They are taking the bread from meritorius students and throwing it to the undeserving students (if at all they are students). What the hell is happenning. I guess eventually there will be doctors who wont even know where the hell is a heart in a the body and there will be engineers who doesnt even know the fundamentals of newtonean physics and there will be god damn politicians who will be much stupid and fkin idiotic than what there are today!!!. I guess all people still in their minds get the hell out of India and go to other countries and let the politicians treat themselves with the above mentioned doctors and their families travel over a bridge that was built by the aboave mentioned engineer and let their stupid offsprings be ruled by above mentioned politicians. India has gone to dogs dogs and stupid dogs.
All our dreams about a bright future is there no more. Our proud past and our golden culture and our great minds are not any more associated with the subcontinent any more. Great India is a dream that will probably remain as dream forever. Unless… somehow theres a revolution.
I am ashamed of being an Indian not because I was born in India.. just because I am being ruled by mindless morons and fkin stupid crowd in wich not even a single mind is read to know what morolity is.
may God save India which means God slay Indian politicians.
India Needs A Revolution!!! says: GOD DAMN DONT TOUCH IITS and IIMS. YOU LL END UP IN HELL FOR THIS SIN. THE GREATEST SIN u CAN EVER COMMIT TOWARDS INDIA GODDAMN ARJUN SINGH!!
India Needs A Revolution!!! says: ok man JP. i answer ur question that u asked gaurav. In a country of billions u … there ll be mistakes. u stupid man this itself proves how illogical u are and how the god damn poor ur IQ is. I am sure if u come to party u ll do the same thing. Why the hell you wnat reservations when u are not able to clear the goddamn exam the institute administers as an enterring standard.
Anser this question u illogical retard. Ther is an exam (ther is an operation). OBC is not able to clear (OBC kills the patient). what the fuck u suggest!!! answer me u. why the hell u dont understand this is ur country too. its not just the country of ur caste. Its the country that once belonged to great people like swami vivekananda, CV raman, aryabhatta, (maybe gandhi), emperor ashoka… the goddamn muslims come as the first dogs and then comes the goddamn british and now sprouts the goddamn politicians who sought to see the favor of goddamn OBCs and muslims.
India Needs A Revolution!!! says: and yeah, everyone who said that middle class doesnt vote. ofcourse i dont like congress. but what if i voted BJP. they were there in the parliment when the bill got passed rite. why the hell they did not raise any voice. even if we voted bjp, they will eventually do the same thing to prove (or pretend) that they are not against muslims so they could get the vote bank and an edge over congress. our politicians are all screwed up.
Gaurav says: i dont think i should waste my time answering u Mr JP … be damned .. ive been to two premier institutes in India .. an Engg insti and an MBA insti.. but ive failed to see any “sane” reserved category person over there.. all of them were laggards who brought the entire class average down .. and who used to use there dumb logic everywhere.. Boss if you wanna fly a flying saucer without knowing how to pedal a bike.. only ur mayawatis and mulayams and others save ya…
anjali says: This is the time to take some action. These politicians have always taken us for a ride. They have left no stone untirned to ruin our career and life. These dirty votebank politics will for sure ruin the country. They least care about our opinions. We raised our voice during Mandal 1, they didn’t listen. We burned ourselves they didn’t care. They kept sitting in their A/C chambers showing least concern. They don’t care whether we live or die. Today its reservation in education, tomorrow it’ll be reservation in private sector. They won’t let us study, they won’t let us find a job. We have been made as outcasts in our own country.
It’s time to HIT BACK. They don’t understand the language of peaceful protests. We have tried that so many times and failed. They only understand the language of voilence. I am ready to be a HUMAN BOMB and take down with me atleast one of Arjun Singh, VP Singh, Mayawati or Meira Kumar. Me and friends have already started planning in this regard. Let’s save the country, lets kill the enemy even if it means riots with SC/ST/OBC
Ram says: The chances of getting into premier institutes is dimmer for us thanks to reservations.But we work hard to get into such insitutions.After that the chances of getting a job is less because reservations eat away our opporunities.But again we try hard to get into jobs competing with people who couldn’t do the job even offered.Later,again,reservations come into picture,this time depriving of the promotions.Where is the end of this and who will put an end to all these stupid vote bank politics?
Sameer says: This debate seems to be purely anti Muslim and anti Congress.
No Commnets!!!!
Sameer,
No this debate is not anti-muslim or anti-congress (although I am up for the anti-muslim, anti-congress one anyday 
). The debate is about Congress’ agenda to ruin one crowning jewel of India, our premiere institutions.
I agree with Gaurav that people who come on quotas to these educational institutions are not worth a penny. Most of the times these people go out of these institutions and get lost in the real world achieving nothing spectacular (because they were not extraordinary to begin with). How many times have you heard a SC/ST/OBC guy make a name for himself after coming out of IIT on a quota sit?
The whole premise of caste/religion based reservations is wrong. IITs today do not deny admission to an individual because s/he is SC/ST/OBC. They deny it because they are not bright enough. My husband went to IIT and he came from a very low income Hindu-Brahmin family. He could go to IIT because he topped JEE, no thanks to his father’s money or lack thereof. Similarly, what stops a Muslim or an SC-ST-OBC guy to go to an IIT, if they are bright? Just clear the JEE and stand on the merit list first, and believe me, all the economic help that you need will pour! How many stories have we heard of a really bright student not being able to attend IIT because he had no money? None.
No reservations are required. No economic help is required too. Let the government create and subsidize a financial institution that grants educational loans for poor students at 0% interest. If you are coming from an ultra-poor family, regardless of whether you are a Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or SC-ST-OBC, you can get into any institution in our country so long as you prove your worth. In such a system everyone can rest assured that lack of financial resources would be the last reason why you couldn’t attend our world-class institutions.
Rags.
Reservation by religion is absurd. Creamy top of SC ST & B.Classes should be skimmed off. The Govt shd attempt to spend more on education, not reserve on what we have.Whether one wants to become a Govt officer or a business man or industrialist is a matter of personal taste. What is it that the Govt is attempting? Can this minister think properly, cogently at his age? Does he understand the harm he is doing to the serious minded students?This congress has ruled this country too long and reduced it to rack and ruin. It is time that they go.
anjali says: This is the time to take some action. These politicians have always taken us for a ride. They have left no stone untirned to ruin our career and life. These dirty votebank politics will for sure ruin the country. They least care about our opinions. We raised our voice during Mandal 1, they didn’t listen. We burned ourselves they didn’t care. They kept sitting in their A/C chambers showing least concern. They don’t care whether we live or die. Today its reservation in education, tomorrow it’ll be reservation in private sector. They won’t let us study, they won’t let us find a job.We have been made as outcasts in our own country.
It’s time to HIT BACK. They don’t understand the language of peaceful protests. We have tried that so many times and failed. They only understand the language of voilence. I am ready to be a Human Bomb and take down with me atleast one of Arjun Singh, VP Singh, Mayawati or Meira Kumar.
Let’s save the country, lets kill the enemy even if it means riots with SC/ST/OBC
Abubacker says: I’m a Muslim and I can’t accept this. It is outrageous that politicans are trying to reap the benefits out of this whole reservation scheme. By doing this the govt is NOT really achieving much in helping any backward class people but instead this practice would destroy the morales of ST/SC/OBC/MOCS students, and just induce them to look forward merely to those reservation schemes, it wont help them at all to be really competitive. And not only that, this practice would destroy the reputation of those highly reputed institutes plus the zeal of the real hard working students. IMHO, what is acceptable is to create a situation where SC/ST/OBC/MOBC students have the opportunity to expand their knowledge, the zeal to expand their knowledge, the environment to grow intellectually which would enable them to compete with other NON ST/SC students without any reservations to apply for education at highly reputed institutions like IIT, IIM etc. The govt should work on that direction rather than the reservation schemes which would only benefits the politician.
Prasanth says: This is how people with intent to kill are spawned.
Absolutely docile people turned into aggressive beasts.
This is how communalism is created.
How different is this from the divide and rule policy of the Britons that we curse all day?
And to think we voted these loosers in to power? Shame on us! Shame on us all!!!
There is a new website http://www.dostpost.com that allows current students and alumni of IITs and IIMs to link up and there is also a national discussion board that is currently debate on the reservations issue. Thought people might be curious given the spirited comments on this blog.
Jiten C says: I see a lot of young people stating how wrong the Government is but ths is the Government you elected. We need the youth of India to stand up and enmass get rid of the current batch of politicians and creat a new group of Bharti leaders. It is time we shed our shackles to the corruption put in place by our Muslim-British past and go back to our Vedic roots as leaders of the world.
Don’t curse the darkness but be a light and help lead our nation out of ignorance and take charge of the world. Indians all across the planet have proved we have the know how to do so but the political system in India has made sure we remain a third world power.
Concquor ignorance thru knowledge as sated in Isa Upinishad and bring Bharta back to its position as a source of all in this world.
Sanaullah says: i am a muslim youth ,n i dont think that i am backward , i use to see my friends who r from reserved seat in my institution with a doubt that they do not deserve to be here coz they dont have those skills which are required for a good engineer ,if someone questions my abilities i will be ashamed , after reservations for the muslims , i will be ranked in the same way as i use to rank others , How can i tolerate this ?? never ,
On the other side if we look , yes for the muslim today in India it is not possible to get a good job becoz of the communal feeling pertaining at every level from government to Ngos , I know many muslim candidates who made into the interviews of exams like PSC , UPSC but were rejected in interview , may be becoz they were muslim …….. this feeling should be erased from the minds of the people , how can an educated person can be sooo narrow minded ? if the government really wants the muslim in IIT’s IIM’s n in Govt Services ,they should remove communalism from our country , then i am sure you will find muslims at all level
gabru , chandigarh says: I M ASHAMED TO BE AN UPPER CASTE FELLA…N
EVER MORE ASHAMED TO CALL MYSELF A PROUD
INDIAN
vijaya says: Hi sooraj,
What you have expressed is very much true.We are left with only certain fields not influenced by reservations and we are able to get the real gems from there.these politician for there selfish motives are preying on them now.I think if they succeed it would be injustice to students who are really brilliant as many such students will not get a fair chance to get a seat.if the goverment thinks of reservation policy it should not be on caste basis but on financial basis.Encouragement should be given to students of all castes to study.There are so many students in OC’s who are brilliant but can’t study due to lack of funds.If it is said that caste discimination was prevailant at sometime in history and justice is being done now.By all these policices is the government not following the same principle of discrimination?Then what justice are they talking about?They say India is a democratic country and all citizens rea equal.When the basic fundementals of the constitution are not being followed by the government is it not trying to disrespect the constitution.When students stand up together they can save the country.Instead of dividing the people and putting them up against each other a capable government would help people overcome the existing differences.Do you think it would be justifiable to have such people sit in the revered high posts of the country and play with the sentiments of people?It’s the youth who should clean the system and teach a lesson to such people who are dividing the country.They are no betetr than the Britishers who used such tactics for there selfish benefits!
Shaikh Bashir says: This is a matter of great concern from me .I migrated to the US for further studies last year . Indian govt and Mr. Arjun Singh has to realize that Islam is a religion which bring into effect one principle “Get the best to do the best Job”, not to mention the Gulf countries are power house economies in Asia , which proud themselves with the saying “only expatriates should work”,eventhough they pay the price with high employment rates of their own citizens.
Reservation would bring a disaster to the entire community and put it back by another 100 years. It would be better if the Indian Govt, instead stopped its 50 years hepocrisy against our comunity , treating them as second grade citizens , revoke its Dracion anti-terrorism laws which are being used to target the community (in Kashmir , Gujrat , Maharasthra & North East particulary ) , recently a new concept has emereged in this govt’s Era “project muslims as scape goats fro various bomb blast in Mumbai trains , Hyderabad mosque, Malegaon , etc. “These blast had nothing to do with the comunity and were a result of failed DIPLOMATIC efforts of the present govt with “UNCLE SAM” on the nuclear front. Entire world knows that .
The best thing the govt can do is give more scholaships to various Muslim students , especially in the feilds of Medicine, Architecture , Accountany , Bussiness Administration , Engg, Biotech and other Professional feilds which contribute to “Nation Builing”.This should
be done with immediate effects rather than constructing only “minority insitiutes ” which in the long run have only isolated the communities youth . It should make provisons that Muslim children are well represented in Private &reputed schools in the locality, rather than spending money on those “Stupid Urdu medium Schools ” . the Concept of Urdu schools is outdated, these schools fail to bring the community up the ladder and instead lead to its isaolation and backwardness.
One more initiative it can take is allow foreign investment in Primary education , irrespective of favour to any comunity .It also need to cuts ” RED TAPE ” in education .If the Govt can instead allow Foreign investment in Primary education, cut RED TAPE with STRICT SAFE_GAURDS that all communities and especially the underprivellaged are Equally represented ,then it will be a big boom for all of us . It will give the Muslims living abroad and oppurtunity to come one step forward and serve their community and the country on a whole . Muslim from India living in the Gulf , Europe and the Americas are particularly concerned about the communites future , since they have considered the Indian Govt. Itself as the biggest roadblock in the communities development .
srinivasan says: Hey what happned to quota for Christians and Bramins. Bramins and Christians also should demand quota.
Yoom says: Hi all,
All the people who commented on this page, what I personally feel is, you all wasted your time. There are many who have shared there high funda strategies its all waste. Its really really easy to criticize anyone, any party by typing and just posting your comments. If you really have guts and want a real change “Why don’t you make an effort to lead this country? Why don’t you risk yourself to be a good MLA or MP or a good Minister or Prime Minister? Just talking is not enough. Show your guts now and then implement all your golden policies. Because just posting a comment on blog wont help this country. How many have read this comment and thought of a change not even 0.0000000001% people would have read these comments. Think again before posting any rubbish text.
Thanks.
Yoom – just that so many people care and comment is proof enough about the government’s misguided policy of reservations. If the government provided us all a platform to comment and criticize then each bill that goes into the parliament will be a true reflection of the people’s will.
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