Sourav Ganguly – Greg Chappell Spat Analysis
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At last editorials and opinions have started appearing in the Indian press on the Sourav Ganguly – Greg Chappell fight. The spat must be embarrassing for all involved, but as usual our press is taking every opportunity available to get all the spice and masala in their front pages.
The reporters are now after Gavaskar’s coffee chat, Tendulkar’s morning breath, and are looking under every stone with a magnifying lens to make the most of the affair. But of course, to be fair to the reporters, this fight seemed dirty right from the beginning.
An editorial in the Indian Express is all praise for Ganguly, while reasonably justifying that it is time for him to go. IE says that…
…Ganguly must have stepped down as soon as Zimbabwe was routed.
He must go, not merely because of Chappell’s e-mail, or a falling average, or one run-in too many with authority, or for violating the basic ethic of team sport: making public dressing-room disputes. He must go because Indian cricket needs a change.
Ganguly is visibly upset and wishes that Chappell would not have made that comment. That is quite silly of him, for last I heard, India is still a free country!
“I cannot stop Greg Chappell from giving comments from his point of view,” Ganguly said. “I honestly don’t know why he has done this, why he has made such a comment.”
Though Ganguly could have hoped that Chappell would first discuss things with him and BCCI in person without resorting to a written complaint, Ganguly gave away that right as he was the first to run to the press like a naughty child with their dressing-room discussions!
The row broke during the first Test in Bulawayo last week after Ganguly, having hit his first Test hundred since November 2003, told the media that Chappell wanted him to sit out and play an in-form batsman.
Ganguly was criticised for breaching convention by making dressing room discussions public. Chappell then said he had intended only to motivate the player.
What’s your say? Should Ganguly be kicked out?
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Please can anyone tell me who had played the most number of international cricket, Greg or Ganguly or Shastri. And who is the most successful player. And after getting all this information then only please make comments on the best captain of India. And also i would request the board to selct some neutral selectors to select the Indian Team. Then decide if Ganguly is fit to play for India.
Hi Saurya,
how is it relevant as to how many mathces a player has played and who the captain should be? To be a captain, a good player + many other qualities are necessary such as leadership, team management etc.
so what is your opinion then? you’ve only asked questions, give us answers too…
All of us are saying that ganguly must be out of the team. But it’s all foolishness. Gautham Gambhir is finding palce in Indian team even he is out of form and even Parthiv now! Saurav was the 2nd most run scorer equalisig laxman in two matches. While yuvi only got his 75 in a maddy time, Saurav got in a situation where the conditions were critical. And the Kolkata Prince losing his crown won’t do much for Men in blues, even Sehwag would have done better than Dravid. Let’s wait and see what happens in Pak series, except saurav, all would get a duckie. Also Saurav was never been out for series in Srl series. Kiran More, Have recollected his shattered brain and included him in v/s pak series.
Long stay saurav! I say our coach is brilliant, but those dirty politics must be ought to take out 100% spirit of the game! Chairman of Selectors commitie was pressurised to bring ganguly back to save his head. Oh gosh! Really sweating huh? Lakhs of Clever guys support him! So think wise, stay long. Poor More, at last moment he was left alone by the main Saurav ’s enemy(Not critisising) as he too supported Saurav. Think about the experience he’ve got guys!
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Gangully: The Golden feather for team india. How the fool Dravid could lead INDIA? Just for some kind of kiddish stuff! Saurav must get his Crown back!
Foolish DRAVID! Give Skipperacy to Ganguly/Sehwag! Such a mad guy2!
Hari – you’ve almost spammed with comments every two minutes on just this page.
Anyhow, let’s see how your outbursts fare in India’s games with Pakistan.
hi … my main question is …what credentials does Greg Chappell have as a coach …unlike Woolmer .. Wright ..who has coached sides succesfully in the past.. as far as coaching for South australia is concerned … it is very well known that Chappell was in the midst of controversies there as well… players didn’t like him ..neither the team did any good. Chappell is a legend in his own mind. seeing is believing …wining against a Srilanka at home doesn;t prove anything. Shuffling batting orders , experimenting ..is all good but results is what we want. Say Ganguly is sacked and team moves on without him … but what if team India fails in 2007 WC … then we are left with injustice done to past skippers …controversies and controversies .. , an ego-maniac coach, a puppet captain and huge salaries being paid to Chappell and his coachin team
Hi Sarit – thanks for bringing in a different perspective to the discussion, that of Chappell’s darker side.
Frankly, I do not know much about his history, but think that his removal of Ganguly is a very wise decision.
If we should fail in the 2007 WC, it will be utterly foolish on our part to blame past injustices. Though I cannot deny that the media wouldn’t do it, it would be advisable to critique the WC team and the matches played rather than pull political matters from history.
check out this like …
http://www.theage.com.au/news/cricket/exredback-takes-long-handle-to-chappell/2005/09/27/1127804474921.html
Paul Wilson an experienced …hard working South australian cricketer ..had a few to say about Greg Chappell after he was appointed the coach of team India.
is it just me .. or there is a significance coincidence of what is happening in Indian cricket and what happened in south Australia ..both under coaching ( read captaincy/selction) of Greg Chappell.
In Paul Wilson’s words … “Greg Chappell’s a fantastic individual skills and batting coach, but he was a poor coach when it came to looking after a group of people,”
Wow … just a few months as a coach of team India … and rest is history..
“When he was with SA, a lot of guys fell by the wayside. Greg didn’t seem to worry himself with a lot of the guys and they really didn’t feel led.
“It’s only now, under Wayne Phillips, that the lost ground is being recovered.”
” alot of guys fell by the wayside”…..( Zaheer, Nehra , Balaji , Ganguly)
A egomaniac coach will never want strong personalities in his team … Greg Chappell obviously suffers from a sense of insecurity that his job will only get limited to being a coach…while in this cricket crazy part of the world .. may be in his high standards that is not good enough … he wants a skipper/ BCCI chief / selectors… to follow his words blindly.
My point is he has marketed himself well … with his stupid website .. (www.chappellways.com)… and Sourav Ganguly’s bad judgment and politics has brought Chappell to India as a coach.
Chappell needs a few course on personnel management from few MBA instituitions in India.
As far as I am concerned being an Australian and well known cricketer has got him the job as a coach … not his coaching abilities.
Hi Sarit – that puts a lot of things in perspective indeed. Let’s see if Chappell tries to cook more politics in our team.
I mean, we Indians are proud of bringing politics into anything and everything, now looks like we’ve found a friend/enemy in Chappell!
so Dravid goes to open the inings with Shewag …dirty politics … as a captain you see a flat wicket and wonder ..what if Ganguly scores runs as an opener .. then you have to play him in other tests…. dirty politics ..Dravid … thought you were better….
Hi Sarit – nice to see you back, and that too with comments very fresh about the ongoing match!
So you must’ve heard about the Dravid-Ganguly spat during which Chappell wouldn’t look at Ganguly! Wow, we now have a new political party in India, which is our cricket team!
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This page is horrible ! We are talking of INDIAN CRICKET !!! and that too of ganguly/chappel spat ..!!?? Are we going crazy !! plzzzzzzz…thay are both insecure, past their primes, and trying hard to hold on to there places ! Which board will give such lucrative contract to Mr chappel ?..and Ganguly undoubtedly one of the best player and captain of his age has past his prime, so let us not worry about him as well….but not a bad idea if Mr chappel is shown the door as well….
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” its not the size of the dog that matters in a fight … its the fight in the dog which does”
Indian cricket witnessed its sorry state in Pakistan. A coach who started looking for excuses before the loss ( shoaib chucks) … a captain who has a long way to go…. and a middle order who had no appetite to give a fight. End of the day only two batsmen fought hard….Ganguly and Yuvraj… the rest just was too scared of shoiab Akhtar’s pace …specially the almighty God of Indian Cricket …Sachin Tendulkar. If one looks back to the history of Indian cricket … we have consistently given up like that against Pakistan ( my childhood mightmares of sharjah)… it was for the first time under ganguly’s captaincy …Indians not only learnt how to fight … they learnt how to win … dont believe me ..look at the record books. It was the attitude which made the difference. Dravid is way too timid to lead. May be Shewag is the next best option.
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Hey,
When Greg Chappell was selected as a coach his very first statement was “My main goal is to make TEAM INDIA no.2 team”. What a coach!!!! Team India was at no.2 team then defeated by Australia at world cup. definitely Australia is No.1.
Does Kiran More have the credentials to be a selector?
What’s his achievement in ODI / Test matches? Any records?
Ganguly brought India to a place where no Captain has ever led.
Someone like Ganguly has 10,000 runs in ODI and a good average in tests too.
Now Greg Chappell and the co. says he cant play on green pitches and is susceptible to short pitch deliveries. Does he mean to say the bowlers like Wsim Akaram, Waqar yunis and the rest of the fast bowlers dont know how to ball or where to ball.
And he scored all 10,000 runs on dry pitches.
HAHAHAHA……
Even players like Tendulkar, Shewag are out of form. So do they deserve a place in the team?
Solution:
Give a hard kick to Kiran More and the problem might be solved.
He’s the main culprit.
Whatever it is u sucking Gangully’s Fna…..after this Pak series…… Now Ga(oo)gally became history.lokk at the New Indian tem under The Great Great Rahul Dravid.
God help Gangully , His soul me rest in peace
Quite true, Pavan. Dravid has actually just proved his might; and Ganguly will no longer return as Captain.
Hope the series win against Pak will give the Ganguly camp and Haters of Greg some thought…. You will be in the team based on performance and not lord over for 2 years without any performance… Ganguly should have gone long back due to his bad performance but due to Dalmiya he was there….
Even I like Ganguly very much in his earlier days… but somehow he lost touch and his performance went down… as a last resort he played politics and I lost all the respect for him…..
India bows down to an Italian ( Sonia Gandhi) …. India cricket has a new daddy now .. Greg Chappell… yeah .. a fair skin with foreign accent … still makes a huge deal in India … God Bless India
Dada is the best captiain of Indian Cricket.He removes the
religionship from team India And get relief from the scandal of Match Fixing.He also save the Dravid when he was out of form.
Reetesh – I agree with you.
Sarit – I wonder if in Greg Chappell’s case, it is a matter of fair skin. If he plays politics again, I expect it will cost him dearly, even though he is white.
Chappell has a lot of influence on BCCI , selectors , managers , captain , players…. which is great if the sport is soccer / basketball etc … but this is cricket .. a coach’s job is to help player’s performance improve… as a cricket coach you are supposed to work with the team you are given … not choose the team you want. strong characters in a team are bound to run into each other … but as a coach your job is to fix the mindset and work with what you have … not eliminate players with whom you have a problem. John Wright didn’t draw so much attention he just did his job. Greg Chappell is a big name in the cricketing world … imagine someone like Brian Lara or Sachin Tendulkar coaching … when you already have an existing reputation and ego.. you will always be missing the bigger picture.. i.e. your role to the team … when a player is too scared to voice his opinion ( Harbhajan)… you are bound to have a problem … when the team is wining everything is fine … but when things go wrong … the blaming game starts…..besides great coaches brings the best out of a player .. no matter how big or small his ego is … like Phil Jackson working with Dennis Rodman … Bob Woolmer ..working with Shoaib Akhter… as a coach when you run into a situation with a player … you dont write a 3 page email to management hurling personal insults about the player … you work with him to make things work …. you dont go showing your middle finger to crowd. Chappell even said … batting . bowling performance is not good enough … you need to have the right attitude… what is the right attitude? … ” shut up and listen”… I think we have a dictatorship in the most popular sport in the biggest democracy….
hi Sarit – you have done a great analysis of Greg Chappell indeed. But I would say that what he did with Ganguly was for the good of the team and that has already become evident. So I don’t blame Chappell for that.
But it remains for the future to see if Chappell is going to play more ego-games with the team.
Hi Sooraj …. in regards to Chappelll’s interview … I am not going to get into what he had to say …. but it just appeared to me as if .. it was chest thumping victory speech given to a non-indian journalist .. for crushing a unwanted strong personality whos apparantly the most successful Indian captain….
I must say that BCCI is a mismanaged outfit. First Greg Chappell decides to greet Kolkata with his middle finger. If this form of greeting is the best Australian way, may be this greeting can be used on some visiting Australian VIPs. (BCCI has to explain that Chappell was only showing his injured finger). Then Raj Singh Dungarpur gives a TV statement in Karachi, while acting as Team Manger. (BCCI has to then inform that they understand that Raj Singh did not mean it etc etc). Then Greg Chappell gives a statement that Mr Ganguly was playing for financial reasons. (BCCI have made large angry eyes at him and told him that he should refrain from comments such as these.) Then Mr Sharad Pawar gives a statement that Ganguly can play, if he improves his game. And then before the sound bytes of Mr Pawar’s statement are off the air, Mr Kiran More states that Ganguly can not be back in te team, no matter what!!!!
What can Mr Pawar do???? Warn Ganguly for statements made by Chappell, More, Dungarpur and any one else !!!!!
What can Ganguly do?
Options are: (1) Sue Chappell (2) Stand for President of CAB and sit on BCCI meetings (3) Get elected as a Lok Sabha Member from West Bengal and issue priviledged statements from the Lok Sabha about the need for India declaring independence from foreigners and the need for real time audit for BCCI funds (and why politicians get attracted to BCCI)
Suggestions: Rename BCCI as CCI. Then Dungarpur can then be Board President for life and he can arrogate the right of making any / all statements in the interest of Maharashtra cricket
I would think the best move for Ganguly is to do what he is doing. Kiran More crossed all lines as publicly shutting the door against a player. This is a joke. No other selector has ever done this before. Abhijit Kale probably has no idea how important part he played in this whole Ganguly saga. The personal grudge against a particular player is very visible ..but BCCI has lost its manhood to an australian. but this is an eye-opener .. eye-opener for anyone coming from the East-Zone …. if you want to be in Indian team .. start playing for a difefrent zone. This will just help bengalis change their perspective towards the rest of India…which is very sad .. coz bengalis are one of the most hard -core fasn of India and Indian cricket. This might be the begining of a drift.
removing sourav from indian team is really untolerable and
giving captaincy to rahul is another stupid thing.
ganguly is the best of all the captains of india.
he also scored more than 10000 runs.its not a easy thing.
what greg chapell had commented that sourav is unfit
and he cannot play no longer.
and he also commented that ganguly’s injuries in previous matches are not real.has he seen that injuries.
is he thinking as though he is a doctor?
greg has done management studies.he once again has to study the personality development.
he also commented on ganguly that sourav is seeking captaincy for financial reasons.
what greg know about ganguly’s financial things?
is he a financial advisor for ganguly?
greg is making all stupid comments on ganguly.
first he has to consult a pschycologist for what he is doing.
kiran more as a indian is supporting chappell and
removed ganguly from the team.even gautham gambhir,parthiv patel,sachin tendulkar are not in form,but why u remove only sourav from the team.
the BCCI should take severe action on chappell and kiran more regarding this issue.
BCCI should select eligible coach and selector for indian team.
so ..More and Chappell are doing business together …aha … about time that impotent BCCI wakes up …
Sourav Chandidas Ganguly played his last test match in Karachi, Pakistan and batted like the tiger against Shaoib and Asif when other Indian batsmen including Dravid were EXPOSED. The memory of those two little gem of innings by the best Indian left hand batsman ever will forever remain etched in my memory. Class cannot be replaced by Averages.
Dear Sourav. You never thought Indian fans will kill you. So kill your sentiments for the country – migrate to Bangladesh – play the world cup 2007 PLEASE as an opener to show the world and resurrect your status as an ALL TIME GREAT. PLEASE
By not commenting on the Coach that killed his team’s Captain through a morale shattering campaign and on the Selector that eased his team’s Captain out of team by making him persona non grata and the former Deputy that publicly fought to ensure his former Captain does not get a chance to bat in flat wicket of Lahore as an opener – Sourav proved himself to be the astute stateman cricketer that he is; respected more abroad than in his own bickering backyard. A genius of a man Dada
Hi dear all, everyone shud know one thing that without a good coach also a team can give a better performance. if indian team really wants to win worldcup they shud bring back ganguly aat any cost. as there is lot of politics going on from selectors and greg it is difficult to ganguly to find a place. but to bring him back indian people shud do something, they shud do something in peaceful way in order to get him back. or someone who really got power shud file some case in court against BCCI for dropping him. In my opinion the best team which can win world cup 2007 is, Ganguly, Sachin, Dravid, Yuvi, Kaif, Dhoni, Harbhajan, Pathan, Agarkar,Munaf Patel, Raina/sehwaag
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Its time for heads to roll, If chappel did not know about the middle stump guard that ganguly could take what is is a coach for. Why should a bugger like kiran more keep a gritty genius like sourav out of cricket for so many months why we as a nation lost to other countries like westindies australia and South africa.
Return our lost Indian pride return us our so many months of humiliation and return us the happiness of these losses. I demand that from the cricketing eastablishment.
Why should a foreigner be allowed to raise a middle finger at Indians and still no action be taken . Who gives you the authority to humiliate Indians. I demand an answer from crickets administrators.
Why did you humiliate US we demand an answer.
Now Pathan a brilliant guy is melted the same treatment as our beloved dada was. Its a shame if coaches are hired to play politics and not correct flaws and mistakes. Then whats the Coach worth. He is as good as lalit Modi or Suklaji. Why not make fatty Shula or Blackey Mody or Crucked Faced Pawar the Coach.
If Vengsarkar being the chief selector has to do Coaching aswell why should he not be paid a few hudred thousand dollars , just because HE IS AN INDIAN I PRESUME. Chappel is not even carrying drinks we would understand the boys are being served by a white skinned bugger which makes ther drinks worth few thousand dollars then also it would heve given us some solace.
If the chief selector is not doing the job of looking at domestic talent who will do it? will it be done by blackey or fatty or Makrtondya Pawar.
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Its time we get rid of Dravid as a Captain. The Player in dravid is also finished.
Now look at Jaffer he is being persisted with after 10 continious failures and failures which are BIG BIG time . where he did not score in double figures. Gautam Gambhir is being kept outside just because he is not from Maharashtra. NOW IT IS AMCHI TUMCHI lets take on fucking Marathis. FUCK you Tendlya You are a BAS****.
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Its time for heads to roll, If chappel did not know about the middle stump guard that ganguly could take what is is a coach for. Why should a bugger like kiran more keep a gritty genius like sourav out of cricket for so many months why we as a nation lost to other countries like westindies australia and South africa.
Return our lost Indian pride return us our so many months of humiliation and return us the happiness of these losses. I demand that from the cricketing eastablishment.
Why should a foreigner be allowed to raise a middle finger at Indians and still no action be taken . Who gives you the authority to humiliate Indians. I demand an answer from crickets administrators.
Why did you humiliate US we demand an answer.
NOw another player Pathan is being mishandled. If the Coach cant help he should be made to carry drinks and probably Kapil Dev or Gavaskar or Mahinder amarnath should be made the Coach.
Has chairman of selection comittee been delagated the role of Coach. If selection comittee is not doing its job of looking at talent within the country who will do that?
Its time to get rid of chappel and get an indian Coach and change Indian Captain .
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